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Tess Holliday - A Vacation From Body Shaming Or Modern Marketing? | The Trews [E454]

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Today's Trews discusses the controversy and hyperbole around Cosmopolitan featuring plus size model Tess Holliday on their October cover. What is the true motivation behind such a move? Unf*ck Yourself From The Modern World with my new book Recovery Get it here in US: http://tinyurl.com/ydcwz3kd Australia: https://t.co/Ri1XSonD2X UK: http://tinyurl.com/ycs8gu6b Listen to my Under The Skin podcast here https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/u... Subscribe to the my channel here: http://tinyurl.com/opragcg Produced & edited by Jenny May Finn Trews Music by Tom Excell & Oliver Cadman Trews Graphic by Ger Carney
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Mackis Manousaridis (11 hours ago)
mate, what are you on 'bout
Victor Smith (5 days ago)
2:35 I always thought it was spelled bologna?
its yeshau not jesus (24 days ago)
She said now that she feels better emotionally now she wants to work out lol? No she always wanted to work out and never liked being a fat blob. She just didn't want anyone telling her she is fat. And just like other people before her who had the idea that they are ok with being fat, she will eventually lose the weight some how and then promote her weight loss LOL.
its yeshau not jesus (24 days ago)
Russell is stupid for this one. Come on bud, being obese should never be see as ok. You may be able to say do what you want with your body, but not celebrate the fact that you are.
Imogen Armstrong (25 days ago)
Are you a Marxist lol
Scott Ferguson (1 month ago)
Let’s be fair, fat people are NOT attractive - period!
Mister Precocious (1 month ago)
People like her are going to bankrupt the NHS.
Socks (1 month ago)
Wholeheartedly agree with Russell. I think this body positivity thing is just a way to sell clothes, it's like the Lynx ads from 2003 where a fat bald man spritzes on Lynx and the skinny bikini girls run up to him and lick his armpits. The fact clothes are marketed towards fat women has more to do with the need to sell clothes of higher sizes and less to do with body positivity; because they still photoshop models, who are the same size as me, as they would a slender model. And real body positivity would be inclusive of multiple different body types, I also ended up in a wheelchair after a hard fall, and I see precious little done towards body positivity, let alone understanding and normalization, of disabled people. I do think we need body positivity, I nearly died from anorexia in high school, it's an eating disorder that affects a lot of teenage girls but it's starting to spread to other demographics, including men. However, I don't want a magazine to be in charge of that. Especially not Cosmo, they are the trashiest mag ever. And that's what really confused me about this outrage; people are either mistaking Cosmo for Time magazine or they've only just realized Cosmo is a piece of shit magazine, promoting body positivity is one of the less harmful things they've done; they have guides on how to initiate anal sex on yourself for girls under 16, and other revolting stuff, yet nobody has raised an issue with that. It's also not even the first time this model has been on a cover, and the insinuation that it promotes obesity isn't accurate, like Russell said; women don't look at this and go "Ooh, I wanna get fat now." It's more like, you see someone who looks similar to you and you think "I matter." Got to understand I had anorexia back in a time where all models weighed 2 lbs, and I don't blame the individual models or skinny women for my eating disorder, I mainly blame myself for comparing myself to them and basing my entire self worth off it. Anorexia took away my ability to have children and it can do a great deal of harm, doctors who fed me back to my normal weight told me I only had two more weeks to live, and that while obesity is unhealthy; eating too much food is marginally healthier than withholding your body's intake of food, obesity is a 50% increase in mortality vs a 200% increase in mortality for anorexia/bullemia. They're both bad for you but one is significantly more harmful. I also don't agree that body positivity is about reforming what is seen as beautiful, definitely not telling people what to be attracted to, any attempts at enforcing such concepts are a deep perversion of body positivity. And any inferred perception of that, where no solid foundation exists to prove that, is a purely paranoid or moronic misunderstanding of the movement. If anything; it's just learning to not hate yourself because you look different or because nobody finds you attractive. You can't force people to stop being arseholes to you, but you can stop being an arsehole to youself. I mean, I work out and diet solely to maintain good health, as much as possible for a disabled woman, I used to be disgusted by my fat body but I was more or less disgusted by how it caused people to treat me, I've stared at my flaws in the mirror for nearly three days but I came to the conclusion that I don't actually hate my body, I like the way it looks and I know I look after it. And going around in a wheelchair; you get a lot of rudeness from people, they push through you, gawk at you from the distance like a freak, refuse to make eye contact when you talk face-to-face with them, and some of them even accuse you of faking it. So I came to the conclusion that people are generally just like this with people they don't understand. Same people who bullied me for being fat often bullied me for being emaciated and in a wheelchair. And a lot of people used the excuse "I'm just trying to motivate you to get healthy" to justify their rudeness and disgusting treatment of me, regarding my weight, though they obviously didn't motivate me to get healthy; they only reinforced the mindset that I was disgusting and worthless, made me anorexic and suicidal. If you really cared about someone's health; you'd bring it up in a far more respectful way. Being fat isn't like the hiccups, you can't "shock" people out of it, and they're not oblivious to their weight, even if they're really into the body positivity stuff. I tried that one piece too and it was shit, did not fit me at all. Need more clothes for tall women, I don't often realize I'm tall until the clothes relinquish that truth upon me.
Fabio Hussein (1 month ago)
I'm eating spicy chicken wings. Halal bbq. Delicious.
p gb (1 month ago)
Good argument! Regardless of whether she may be healthy or not, i think there is a double standard, for example, as much as we say that it's not good to glorify people with drug or alcohol problems, we dont really question their health if they happen to be on the thinner side, like, ever. So as much as people justify their bias by saying we should vilify those living in an unhealthy way, the attacks only seem to be directed towards plus size people. Is it because thin people dont challenge our beauty standards or have we just been raised to be more critical of fat people in general? Just something to think about.
Ruth Grego (1 month ago)
we all know the reason why these obese individuals are given support to maintain their obesity it has nothing to do with if they feel good or not with themselves. Corporations make a pile of money from fat people, more than thin ones, just think, imagine all fat people starting to eat normal portions and not eating rubbish foods, etc. there would be 1000% down on profits from sales, if they keep eating for 10 people, better, more profit, besides a lot of other industry benefits from fat people, like the health and fitness industry, the drug industry...and ultimately the government and private insurance companies will be very happy to know that all this obese population who will not usually live past 50 years old...will not have a state or any retirement pay...that is the solution to state or private retirement pensions. keep fatting them up! it is a win win for business!
lilly (1 month ago)
Putting on a cover a mortally obese woman is as damaging as putting a zero size model...Promoting obesity as well as anorexic or bulimic models with size zero is absurd. The woman from the cover is extremely sick and making her a beauty icon is as preposterous as making a beauty icon from somebody who looks like just came out of the concentration camp...These are just two extremes. Putting such woman on a cover prevents her and other mortally obese women from taking care of themselves, taking care of their physical, mental and emotional health (obviously she has internal problems, otherwise she wouldn't be that obese) and it leads to their certain death.
Fist Finger (1 month ago)
Disingenuous prick...you need to stop talking pseudo-intellectual shite and be honest. Who is she influencing..how many fat girls out there are unhappy...want to change, but decide not to because this woman has glamourised it? People should be encouraged to live healthy lifestyles...I'm surprised you don't agree with that. Faking positivity about an unhealthy body isn't positive you fucking fraud. Almost like you when you were a junkie encouraing that kind of behaviour, no? How is it any different to promoting those kinds of addiction? Is that next...smackhead and proud! You go, girl...jab that arm! Good for you..don't let anyone shame you...as long as you're happy. Remember when you were relevant? What changed?
skyv987 (1 month ago)
Personally I agree with 'promoting' her body type on magazines and acceptance and all that shit. We should all have absolutely fuck all to say about anyone else's body or even their bad habits. It's no one's business. If someone is fat and feels good, let them. The only thing I will say is that these role models, magazines etc shouldn't ever be promoting that extreme obesity can be healthy. It's not. But that's a separate thing. Actually promoting a non-judgemental attitude toward fat people is more likely to help than hinder weightloss. The current default of society is still to depress the fuck out of fat people by treating them like dogshit.
Ciara McGuirk (1 month ago)
Wow spoken so well ❤️
The Unseen Eye (2 months ago)
I always get confused between you and Coogan
Ashley Chennault (2 months ago)
I have to admit.. I thought you were just some weird celebrity that had nothing remotely interesting to say.. I was wrong. You laid this out and spoke kindly but truthfully. Very refreshing.
alex davidson (2 months ago)
Good video...made me think more than normal
Chris S (2 months ago)
I completely agree, General Zod.
Heather Coates (2 months ago)
How's that body positive? That's body destroying! Diabetes, hypertension, heart attack, stroke, the list goes on- of you want to have that much fat packed between the muscle and skin! This is not healthy!
WadeInnRoad (2 months ago)
You are so introspectively intelligent. I have never heard someone so honestly dishonest, so funny, so sharp, so accepting, so clear, so biting, so free to admit his frailties and to point out the stupidities of others. I love you, Russell. ♥️🤘🏻🤘🏼🤘🏽
fortnite_godd (2 months ago)
I didn't think it was possible but he just got like a million percent hotter
fortnite_godd (2 months ago)
When did Russell Brand get a YouTube channel 😂👌
Liza Tanzawa (2 months ago)
Well, fat poor people ARE the fastest-growing demographic in crony capitalist countries
99 Bottles of Bleach (1 month ago)
In weight or in number?
Rikavari (2 months ago)
That 🎥 I feel Pretty, is a Must see!!!
Sound Evolution (2 months ago)
beautifully spoken .... well done.
Franklin Jerusha (2 months ago)
You have great skin
Night Owl (2 months ago)
You are spot on, I think if people are positive about themselves, that would make it easier to make healthier choices, and not feel like they have to hide behind closed doors. I think it’s hard to even go to a gym or do anything recreational if you feel like you aren’t accepted/
Stephen Goulding (2 months ago)
Russell brand is a pain in the arse white knight, and that is not beautiful
Eric Alexander (2 months ago)
This is the 'first' time I have enjoyed Russell speaking. A refreshing break from interrupting his guests and condemning the Elite.
Bartek Gałązka (2 months ago)
Russell, that kind of snake is called Ouroboros, as you propably know.
Kuumba Creations (2 months ago)
When did Russell brand become so well-spoken and have such profound ideas? Has he always been like this?
joanofarc33 (2 months ago)
She’s not a larger beautiful woman she’s an obese woman and having a pretty face while obese doesn’t change the fact that she’s morbidly obese. There. No commas or periods.
Johanna vdD (2 months ago)
Wow! He cut right through the bullshit and exposed the truth. Nicely done Russel!
outlawstars100 (2 months ago)
It's a load of bullshit because she is still photoshopped, if they wanted to be body positive they would include all the stretch marks and cellulite
Brian Marshall (2 months ago)
🤢🤮🤮 damn that’s fuckin disgusting
Angel Eyes (2 months ago)
Being a fat woman/man will NEVER be considered socially attractive or a desirable fashion trend. Grossly excessive fat is disgusting, unhealthy and unattractive. I figure if fat people want to flaunt their fat on magazine covers, then they should be able to handle the truth. Remember the days when people would pay to view the fat lady at the fair.
Paige Weiss (2 months ago)
“An artificial debate that exists primarily in the world of commerce...” Yes, just humans creating industries based on the thoughts and ideals of other humans. Making money off of creating ideals with which we choose to define ourselves. Kind of backwards as we are the primary ones to define ourselves since we are the ones in the end who are producing the thoughts running around in our heads. So I guess we just have to be careful about what information we choose to take in and process.
The Oceans Gaurdian (2 months ago)
Body positive is all a marketing gimmick, Tess has made millions being a professional victim and using emotional manipulation to clean out your wallets. She doesn't give 10 shits about the lowly pesents, she goes on and on about trolls she claims she doesn't care about so you feel sorry for her and buy more of her products. Nothing these models/sales people do is pure or honest, it all about her brand and bottom line.
Thank you, Russel. I agree with you on all accounts. What resonated with me most is what you what you said about connection. I do my best to assist people who want to make a deep connection to purpose. And as you said there is "no public utensil" that can do that for someone. This is something that resides in the person, their inner drive and stream of consciousness. And it is my humble opinion that we can best facilitate helping a person make a deep connection, one that will be unique to them, through what we perceive as the truth; truths that we have used to achieve success for ourselves. And if these truths have indeed been fruitful in our application of them to our own lives, then with a free conscience, given that we are willing to reassess that which we see as the truth and with a righteous sentiment attached to our actions-- consider it as our duty to attempt to share these truths with a receptive audience. And to do this without expectation of any type of reward is the real meaning of service.
Suzi Cameron (2 months ago)
Fat = unhealthy
Gillian M (2 months ago)
Body image is a huge issue for both sexes but being skinny and overweight doesn't make you feel happier. If people focus on the inner and not the outer the outer Body will follow. Heal the inner......reveal the true self
Secret Santa (2 months ago)
Why does it bother people so much? If you don’t like it don’t buy or look. Hahahahaha: I think she’s gorgeous. I like looking at different body shapes. It’s way more interesting😁
99 Bottles of Bleach (1 month ago)
There is no shape, it's just mounds of shapeless blubber.
Dt Abyss (2 months ago)
Well said
Sheryl Smith (2 months ago)
Many fat / obese people are in shape and eat a lot healthier than slimmer people. Its just nice to see that I am ok to go out and walk around among you 'God' like 'normal' people who as you state are much healthier than I am and will never die as you say I will not live past 40 years. Please let me feel good about myself for a little while, and try to raise my head enough so I can see ahead of myself as I cannot see my toes...
vitriol or debate (2 months ago)
Body positivity is bad. It removes the peer pressure needed to promote fitness. Fitness being aspirational and efficient. As far as a society goes.
kreamy rhodes (2 months ago)
I just love what you have to say on this issue. You make me feel less crazy for questioning these notions of trends vs humanity. I'm sorry i just found your channel but I'm happy i did.
Kamina Manifesto (2 months ago)
Best take I've seen on this.
Pixie Snow (2 months ago)
I don't care what she does with her body or how big she is but why do the rest of us have to look at it and, worse yet, have to pretend like it's something 'beautiful'?
vitriol or debate (2 months ago)
If everything and everyone is beautiful we need a new word to describe things that are more desirable and attractive in appearance than average. Like the word actually-beautiful. Or something with more zing to it.
K (2 months ago)
So the point is that the fashion industry and mainstream media isn't being genuine here. It doesn't care about the issue of body shaming. It is in fact responsible for it. It's revenue stream and whole basis for existence is centred around the undermining and comparing of women's bodies. The plus sized model story is just to perpetuate a false notion that the magazine has values but really it's another income stream. This time through shock and controversy, whilst inauthentically giving the appearance of having a value system supporting body positivity.
rash b (2 months ago)
Damn he made a profound point in the beginning about the problem being that we have a bad standard if we're attaching so much value to Cosmopolitan or the royal family. Hopefully more commentators will break things down on this wider perspective. We all get caught up in debating the main talking point.
EE RG (2 months ago)
I’m much happier when I’m a bit overweight than when I’m underweight and starving myself.
EE RG (2 months ago)
Better than an anorexic!
brianaaimee (2 months ago)
I like your very last comment about us needing community. I think this is lacking in my life and in so many people I know. I actively work at building community because it no longer just exists. I need to seek it, build it, nurture it because it's an important and intresic (sp?) part of being human. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this blip of fake news Russell Brand.
rickenbacker40011 (2 months ago)
You raise a good point, for the good cosmo would do to change people’s perspectives on beauty with that cover I will accept. But it is true, the fact that people have already ingrained within them that they need an external source of validation to decide what they think is beautiful is the true issue. That someone searching for a mate needs other people to find the person they are pining for attractive and desired, for social capital. Capital is really the fearsome beast isn’t it.
Amy Conover AMC Fitness (2 months ago)
I am truly impressed and refreshed by your views and commentary.. Subscribed keep it up
Rayan Agarm (2 months ago)
Like invented conversation..
Rayan Agarm (2 months ago)
2:14 smart yep..change those means..?ok
Rayan Agarm (2 months ago)
Ok mr russel...ive heard you long time ago...and yes a quick wit..lately. See tiny bits..and yes i thought he may be kinda smart..but after 1:37 i was right along no wrong...Fin ... just only brilliant... and is all merchandising yes..? Well donesaid Mr Brand.
Lee (2 months ago)
It seems intellectually dishonest to pretend that humans generally speaking don't have an innate concept of beauty that is to a large degree a product of genetic determination and evolution. It matters not what Cosmopolitan says, and you can't overcome the predetermined standard of beauty. The only path forward is to be ok with yourself KNOWING that you aren't beautiful by the standard. You can really be free if you can unshackle yourself from the idea that you need to redefine beauty so it includes someone like you in the definition.
enzo fortuna (2 months ago)
So if celebrating fat girls is ok,why isn't real skinny boney girl celebrated,the virtue signaling from the left is mind boggling,fuckin hipacrits
space cadette (2 months ago)
It really says something about this whole movement and issue when most other fat people completely disagree with this whole fat positivity movement and want for people who are fat to ignore the land whales saying it's ok to be a lazy fat waste of considerable space....
PINK CIRCLE (2 months ago)
Don't you dare say it runs in my family.
PINK CIRCLE (2 months ago)
I want this magazine to come out. Veganism. Eat lots of vegetables and never feel bad.
Mrs. Jones (2 months ago)
What he's trying to say is that it's beyond the obvious (that she's unhealthy) so stop stating it Sherlock, we got it. This is a different argument, listen.
Mariam Miranda (2 months ago)
Your comments about this topic about fat people being displayed in the media in my opinion is the most correct one. Its about "COMMERCE".
sparrowgirl 98 (2 months ago)
She isn't "chunky" or "plumpish". She is dangerously overweight.
VoiceULove (2 months ago)
Better question would be. Would GQ magazine ever do something like this? Well, they did, but apparently their "version" of a plus sized woman is 20 pounds overweight, lol.
Blujonny11 (2 months ago)
Some women are heavier and there's no loss of attractiveness in that. But this woman really seems to epitomize the type that appear on the biggest loser. The type of person who is by any definition a food addict in the same way a meth addict is addicted to meth.
burymedeep 2093 (2 months ago)
If she is body positive why does she lie so much about her size and weight? 280? Try 380 or more. Size 22? My girlfriend told me she is way past that. Her body is nasty
Quentinho King (2 months ago)
Didn't the body weight activist who spoke on TED talk ended up dying of a heart attack at the age of 34.
Super Sam85 (2 months ago)
Damn. Russell is playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers.
Sari L. (2 months ago)
tills mcgills (2 months ago)
All these plus size models are just obese women with pretty faces that's it.
Douglas A Coleman jr (2 months ago)
I agree
Mike Stanmore (2 months ago)
'Nike' is pronounced 'Nye-Kee'! It's the name of the goddess of victory.
ririririPXN (2 months ago)
I love the raised interest in the cover of Cosmo since this obese model by men. I can only assume that either it destroyed their issue of Cosmo or are genuinely concerned about the unhealthy message to young and impressionable girls much to the contradiction of all the other very healthy messages Cosmo has been giving. Yes, I am being very sarcastic. But very...
hello sunshine (2 months ago)
We shame every other addiction except lazy obese assholes🤷‍♂️ Ya let’s encourage em instead of giving them accountability.
Alexander Tan (2 months ago)
I dont think Cosmopolitan has the right to shove this kind of image in people's face. When these image is put on magazine cover, you are forced to look at disfigured bodies.
Joy Lopez (2 months ago)
It's important to like ourselves-- period. There is only positives in Tess H. liking herself and being herself. A magazine, Cosmopolitan, increased the potential of their profits with this cover-- on that particular month. Curious what profits were? It isn't showfriends-- it's $howbu$ine$$. Thanks for speaking clearly about this subject, Russell Brand. ((Hugs))
jhunt5578 (2 months ago)
Why don't cosmo put a bulimia suffering anorexic on the cover with her skeleton showing and her eyes glazed over? Maybe because we shouldn't be body positive about clinically ill body shapes. But that logic has been overlooked with the morbidly obese Tess Holliday. Let's send a message to all the overweight and obese children out there, that a future of chronic disease and early death doesn't matter, because you can be beautiful just the way you are. ffs.
Thomas Kreisel (2 months ago)
Why did Russel Brand become a youtuber?
David Sim (2 months ago)
It would have been better to put a normal, average looking woman who is within her ideal BMI and run a story on why that is basically healthy. Lets be honest, she is not happy or fullfilled being that weight. She clearly has something going on in her life that she is escaping via food.
Swerveey (2 months ago)
The debate is the fact that already over sized women will be like "Oh so it's okay that I'm like this, I don't need to change any poor habits I might have". The issue isn't that average women will see it and go eat a whole pizza parlor. It's making already overweight women think that it is okay to be that large, even though they may be unhealthy. I could care less if a woman is fat, but putting her on the cover of one of the top beauty magazines is almost saying that being that large is acceptable from a health and wellness standpoint.
Paul Murphy (2 months ago)
God almighty this guy loves to hear the sound of his voice. They're six minutes of my life I'll never get back. I guess he has enough money now to just sit around contemplating his navel and commenting on Cosmopolitan covers. 6 1/2 minutes and not one time did this guy say this is a fat woman and she's unhealthy and she shouldn't be celebrated in any fashion. End of story!
Jaro (2 months ago)
It's not that I don't have a heart, but if you are that weight or size zero, I do not want you to feel positive about your body. I want you to feel positive about getting healthier, because I don't want you to die young.
Jaro (2 months ago)
+ariana moore Ok, I believe you. Perhaps size zero is being overused as a label for underweight when it shouldn't. My point was more about being dangerously underweight.
ariana moore (2 months ago)
Jaro I see this comment constantly and irks me to NO END. YOU CAN BE HEALTHY AT A SIZE ZERO. I am petite, barely 5 foot 1. I eat plant based meals three times a day, lead an active lifestyle and exercise regularly. I have worked hard to be healthy as I’ve been much skinnier and I was unhealthy. I’m a size zero and none of my bones stick out, and I’m actually a D or DD bra. Being THIN or SMALL is different than being anorexic. So saying someone is unhealthy because they are a size zero is just so stupid.
George Hartwell (2 months ago)
What is the reality of being a human being? Because there is a vacuum in our lives, we attach meaning to what is on the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine and discuss it on social media. We are searching for meaning and purpose and acceptance of who we are. Which can be assisted by community.
maccajoe (2 months ago)
I dont give two shits if people want to be body positive IF ITS WITHIN healthy ranges. Which Tess is not. The West is literally as fat as its ever been. Diabetus, heart disease and a myriad of other diseases are as high as they have ever been and so is obesity. Its a fucking joke really.
RocksAnd Socks (2 months ago)
Impressive thoughtful commentary. Whole new level of respect. Good job.
Micah Stewart (2 months ago)
Marketing, how much of a hypocrite do you have to be to see every non shamed over weight person being covered in tattoo’s. Society can only accept fat people if they pass a certain visible ink to skin ratio. Make sense of that!! How about we stop glorifying people who are unhealthy and focus more on the bigots of the world who spread shame, jealousy and hatred as marketing tools in the first place. Which you cant due to the whole capitalist economy being based off coveting what your neighbour has. America, the “christian nation” that breaks every rule in its own book. Hypocrites from coast to coast.
L H (2 months ago)
Whether you find a certain magazine to be relevant is your choice. I have never felt that they held a power over me.
gamertv 46 (2 months ago)
I think the body positivity movement has gone to the extreme and now me being a woman who is in between a size 12 and 14 depending on where I shop I am healthy I have no pre-existing conditions I work out everyday and I love my size but I am also tall I love being thick I'm a black woman I want to be thick
Da Hogman (2 months ago)
Let the fatties pretend everything is ok. If they ignore Heart Disease, Diabetes, High Blood Pressure etc, it might just go away, right? Wait 30 years and the fatties will all be dead anyways. Problem is we are all paying for their health care....awesome
Fernando Tan (2 months ago)
They tend to confuse some caring people to be haters, but the truth is they are just hopeful she can get the benefits of being healthy and fit and to lose the many disadvantages of being obese. Some might have the same intention for her but just can't construct the right sentence to make it a positive thing.
Maiya O (2 months ago)
The more we accept women at whatever size they are, the easier it actually it is for them to become healthy.
K Whitney (2 months ago)
i fucking love u.
The Healing Woman (2 months ago)
If we are glorifying her then we equally need to glorify horrendously underweight women. Two extremes of the same disorder
Home Kitchen (2 months ago)
love  fat women ..
Soupy Chang (2 months ago)
She looks like sentient gravy.
fullblown mind (2 months ago)
Tess holiday is obese not plus size
ric vegas (2 months ago)
this lady isnt healthy, certainly not heathy like the lady with the long beard who made this video

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